Post edited at 1:59 pm on Nov. 26, 2006 by katja

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j'en connais même tellement ça me prend trop de temps,
et ma pauvre maman se dit en soupirant,
qu'ais-je fait pour cela ? Est-ce de ma faute à moi,
si ma fille est comme ça ?

Both the words and the subjects described change gradually, following long-term social trends.  If our society is becoming more equal, then a gender distinction would logically disappear, given time, and this has been happening with the subjects represented, rather than with the symbols themselves.  To artificially force the subjects, supposedly equal, into two separate groups merely highlights their differences.

Also, Ms. PetitOiseau, why do you like the word chairperson?
It has the masculine word son in it and should, by your view, be just as unacceptable as chairman.


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These gender names have been assimilated so well into our speech that it is just custom.  I think that "fireperson" or "[insert profession/title here]person" can get a little ridiculous, but waitress isn't so bad.

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I agree.
There has to ba a line, and all this political correctness is crossing it.

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I have a problem with feminists changing words like history to herstory if we do that i'd appreciate if we changed it to hispes when a man has it.  

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LOL, nice!  

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There has to ba a line, and all this political correctness is crossing it.

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It's not PC, it's common sense.

You don't call your mother a man, do you? So why do you call a female police officer a "policeman"?

The only problem with it is that a lot of people, mostly Americans, have some sort of strange deep-wiring that causes nausia and stomach cramps at the mention of something thats sounds like it might be connected to "political correctness".

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Quote: from bex101 at 7:46 pm on Dec. 13, 2006

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There has to ba a line, and all this political correctness is crossing it.

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It's not PC, it's common sense.

You don't call your mother a man, do you? So why do you call a female police officer a "policeman"?

The only problem with it is that a lot of people, mostly Americans, have some sort of strange deep-wiring that causes nausia and stomach cramps at the mention of something thats sounds like it might be connected to "political correctness".

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So... my mother is a "perdaughter," not a "person?" I wouldn't want to imply that my mother is a man.

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Quote: from The Samsoniteman at 5:08 pm on Dec. 13, 2006

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Quote: from bex101 at 7:46 pm on Dec. 13, 2006

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There has to ba a line, and all this political correctness is crossing it.

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 It's not PC, it's common sense.  

 You don't call your mother a man, do you? So why do you call a female police officer a "policeman"?  

 The only problem with it is that a lot of people, mostly Americans, have some sort of strange deep-wiring that causes nausia and stomach cramps at the mention of something thats sounds like it might be connected to "political correctness".

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So... my mother is a "perdaughter," not a "person?" I wouldn't want to imply that my mother is a man.

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Quote: from Spasty at 4:38 pm on Dec. 13, 2006

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Quote: from The Samsoniteman at 5:08 pm on Dec. 13, 2006

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Quote: from bex101 at 7:46 pm on Dec. 13, 2006

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There has to ba a line, and all this political correctness is crossing it.

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  It's not PC, it's common sense.  

  You don't call your mother a man, do you? So why do you call a female police officer a "policeman"?  

  The only problem with it is that a lot of people, mostly Americans, have some sort of strange deep-wiring that causes nausia and stomach cramps at the mention of something thats sounds like it might be connected to "political correctness".

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 So... my mother is a "perdaughter," not a "person?" I wouldn't want to imply that my mother is a man.

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She's a lady.

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Yeah, but calling her a person means she's a son, not a daughter!

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So... my mother is a "perdaughter," not a "person?" I wouldn't want to imply that my mother is a man.

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Either you're an idiot or you're joking. Either way you're an idiot.

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Quote: from Spasty at 12:38 am on Dec. 14, 2006

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So... my mother is a "perdaughter," not a "person?" I wouldn't want to imply that my mother is a man.

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Either you're an idiot or you're joking. Either way you're an idiot.

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I would like to point out that the argument they're having is completely valid, that he is joking, and also, for the general knowledge of all of you, all of these words do not have any connotation with the things we're calling "masculine" and "feminine" in the English language.  They are two different concepts.

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j'en connais même tellement ça me prend trop de temps,
et ma pauvre maman se dit en soupirant,
qu'ais-je fait pour cela ? Est-ce de ma faute à moi,
si ma fille est comme ça ?

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Quote: from Spasty at 12:38 am on Dec. 14, 2006

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So... my mother is a "perdaughter," not a "person?" I wouldn't want to imply that my mother is a man.

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Either you're an idiot or you're joking. Either way you're an idiot.

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Samsoniteman, you passed the intellectual test to insult someone and call them an idiot when we should be here actually arguing about the issue at hand? Please, at least be respectful when you disagree with someone's opinion about it. I also think she brings up a valid point. 'person' may be much more adjusted to by our culture, and 'policeman' may very well reach that level someday,but most likely it won't with the current PC fad.

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Why women would want to be seperated further from men in language, opening up new avenues for discrimination, I do not know.

If I were female I would rather actors be called actors regardless of sex, because have two seperate names indicates separation, which indicates different rights, or at least the potential for seperate treatment.

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