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YOU ARE A RACIST. YES YOU ARE.
NO BITCH, YOU ARE A RACIST.
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Quote: from medjai at 10:48 pm on May 16, 2008


The most interesting part of the test to me is the first part where you just place black and white people in the proper column of if they are black and white, almost everyone fucks up but they only fuck up by placing the more attractive black dudes into the white dude's column, and never put the white dudes into the black dudes column, unless you're going to claim that humans are more biased to press the E key for black dudes than white dudes or some shit.

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I didn't make one mistake in that part, I think it depends on how exposed you are to black people? Or maybe it indicates a stronger degree of racism, to automatically and flawlessly know whether an individual is white or black. 31% of my school is black, compared the national population of 12.9%, and I always put the faces in the right columns, I only messed up with the words.


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rah rah basically we're all racist whether or not we believe we are; cool, what now exactly duder?

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Quote: from Pardon my French at 9:33 am on May 17, 2008

rah rah basically we're all racist whether or not we believe we are; cool, what now exactly duder?

I wonder if you suck at life as much as you suck on the internet. "I try to sound intelligent by criticizing something in an unoriginal and easily refutable way."

"It turns out that while the test does start with what could be considered 'social conditioning' it starts out in the opposite manner that I claimed it did, completely contradicting my statements and predictions."

"That guy just pointed out how stupid I am, oh shit, I'll make a post that demonstrates my mental age and general pretend apathy towards the situation."

Lol good luck hun. And there is no, "now what," I'm sure you're too stupid to recognize something for interesting and fun but without direction or point because your brain is probably not capable of placing value on interesting things unless they are interesting things that have an obvious direction for your simple mind to follow.

This, however, is for people that are interested in how their mind works implicitly, in how their mind automatically reacts to various stimulus before the conscious mind has time to come in and interpret. It shows you where your unconscious biases are, an intelligent person might find these unconscious biases and say, "Holy shit, I have some crazy unconscious biases, now that I'm aware of them, I'll make sure to keep them in check." A retarded person comes in and says "This thing says that I have an implicit bias towards european people but I don't feel racist and never act racist and don't hate black people therefore it's wrong."

Since you are absolutely too stupid to recognize what is to me an obvious point, I'll lay it out for you.

The real point of this topic was to demonstrate that in many cases our unconscious mind, our automatic perceptions, differ from what we actually believe them to be.

In other words, if you're a chairman at Google and you're voting on a new CEO, your conscious mind might be telling you to pick the tall white guy over the short black guy and it's saying that the tall white guy is more intelligent, is more honest, and more charismatic than the short black guy, but it's really just drawing these conclusions out from your unconscious automatic mind throwing automatic judgments at it, "black - fail, short - weak, tall - charismatic and intelligent", and on and on.

It's completely acceptable that you are too dimwitted to grasp the relevance of obvious concepts such as this, but I ask that you keep your fifth grade comprehension out of my thread.

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Well Major, that could be true, honestly there is only one black guy that I am exposed to in my profession in the Marine Corps, and I really only rarely ever even see him. The common theory as to why recon training is mostly white is that it's because it has the highest general intelligence test score for any MOS in the Marine Corps (there are other MOS's that require as high, but none that require higher).

And no, I'm not saying black people are stupid, I'm saying they score worse on the ASVAB.

Post edited at 10:50 am on May 17, 2008 by medjai

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Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between European American and African American.

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According to the test, I am a racist. My response time to black positives was slowest. But on the shooting, my response to white bad guys was fastest and white good guys slowest, I scored a -125, black good guys were right below white bad guys and black bad guys were next. I responded that black people were slightly more prone to crime and violence, this is only true because of a higher level of poverty among African Americans which is due to the historical mistreatment of them in this country. This is not racism, it is; unfortunately, a fact. I believe this can be remedied but to pretend like it already is is to ignore an important issue in our society. Fixing it isn't easy. Affirmative action(to a very carefully monitored extent) can  help, but that isn't going to change preconceptions or general attitudes. The only real hope is the proper education and socialization of each generation. Basically, doing things to help the situations of African Americans improve and getting each generation to both help improve things and to show them that because of things changing that black people are no longer more prone to crime and violence. Now, this is a lot easier said than done, given that there will always be some blatantly racist people and that improving the lifestyle of any group is not an easy task given the limited amount of resources and the large number of people. But it isn't impossible, it can be accomplished; it's just going to take time and effort.

    I closed my window before reading your whole post and taking note of exactly what some of my results were. By the way, I hardly think this is a test that tells a whole lot, I realize it was put together by Harvard but I can't help thinking that they should be able to put together a better test than this...  

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There is hardly a method to make a better test than this. On any other test you can lie far too easily.

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Wow you think that preference indicates racism.

People prefer to be around what they know and that includes cultures.  A preference does not make one a racist, to be a racist you must make fundamental judgments weighing race as the only factor.


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Which, if you have subconscious preferences in that regard, you do without realizing, making you subconsciously racist.

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Your data suggest a slight automatic preference for the United Kingdom compared to the the United States.

Crock of shit --- I fucking hate Yanks.


Your data suggest a moderate automatic preference for White People compared to Black People.

That doesn't suprise me

Your data suggest a strong automatic preference for White British compared to Asian British.

Not suprising in the least.

I suppose it is the whole:

asian=/= muslim
muslim =/=bad

...kind of thing


...while interesting I don't think we can equate these results as racism -- mostly because these prejudices can easily be overcome with - even the slightest degree of - thought.



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But implicitly the racism is there, you're impressions of people that occur instantaneously are being effected by your implicit immediate thought, and while it can be consciously overcome, in many situations where one doesn't even realize they are doing it (as they are doing it unconsciously), it isn't.

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Your data suggest a moderate automatic preference for European American compared to African American.

Pretty much what I expected. I know I'm a racist. I also scored strong preference for Others vs. Arab-Muslims.

I don't think I do it on an individual level, like, if I meet a person face to face, I don't really take into account race, but for groups on a whole, it's useless to deny that I'm very racist.


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Quote: from medjai at 3:50 am on May 28, 2008

But implicitly the racism is there, you're impressions of people that occur instantaneously are being effected by your implicit immediate thought, and while it can be consciously overcome, in many situations where one doesn't even realize they are doing it (as they are doing it unconsciously), it isn't.

"racism" is however a real buzzword with a 101 conotations -- not one being positive.

is an "automatic preference" really racism as many would think of it?

I mean, it certainly doesn't seem necessarily true that auto-pref =/= KKK

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Quote: from medjai at 11:36 am on May 23, 2008

Which, if you have subconscious preferences in that regard, you do without realizing, making you subconsciously racist.

Thats not what racism means at all. Racism is making certain assumptions about any individual member of a race simply because they are a member of that race.

Preference is simply ones ability to discriminate.  I prefer vanilla to strawberry, therefore I discriminate against strawberry.  I prefer the color blue to the color pink.  I prefer lasagna to linguine and clams.  I prefer to hang out with people of average or higher intellect who also posses knowledge in gaming, politics, computers, economics or a mix of those interests.  I prefer beer to wine when having a steak and wine to bear when having chicken.


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