In the interests of opening up real discussion....
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My personal comments:
In modern education we have become so obessed in teaching kids what we know, we forget to teach them how to learn and how to develop, the children that start education this year will have the technology to learn in ways we cant imagine now, to perform jobs that dont exsist yet, How is society preparing them for this? When you think about the content you learnt in school, is/was it relevent to the future?
Whom were these questions addressed to before google? and how has google affected our society online and offline?
We have 5 Times as many words as shakespere had and the best the youth of today can come up with is "wat u lukin at?"
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Post edited at 1:58 pm on April 28, 2008 by ManicD
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Very interesting video, Ash. I seriously hope that this is 100% active, because it sure can spark interest. There is so much to discuss on this video, and I wish I had hours to discuss it with you guys. Let me make a few commments.
1) Text Messaging -Yeah, seriously. The amount of text messages makes the people's IQ go down, ahah.
2) World Population -Clearly, its too high. We are going to have more than a serious issue in a few decades.
3) Internet -Yes, its popular. But, it does have its own advantages.
4) Technology -Something that can do all of the brain's functions, is quite scary. Imagine being able to FULLY talk with a robot, have a good conversation with it, tell it secrets, etc?
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I don't really see anything special about it. It's not like this is news to be honest.
Yes, we are growing faster than ever, learning has increases, so has education. Technology is at it's forefront.
Don't be so quick to generalise about today's youth. So what if we have more words, that doesn't meant that the children have learnt all these extra words. I guarantee you that in today's society, children still have a wider vocabulary than in Shakespeare's time.
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Yes, we are growing faster than ever, learning has increases, so has education. Technology is at it's forefront.
From what i see of british education, they are teaching what we need to know today, rather than preparing us for what we need to know tommorow. I dont see the education system really preparing children for whats to come. (and i work in a school IT department)
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Yes, we are growing faster than ever, learning has increases, so has education. Technology is at it's forefront.
From what i see of british education, they are teaching what we need to know today, rather than preparing us for what we need to know tommorow. I dont see the education system really preparing children for whats to come. (and i work in a school IT department)
That's a really vague statement though. What's preparing for what's to come?
I'm about to finish my A-Levels, and have taken my GCSEs so that I can gain useful qualifications that help me land a job, and a place at university. Later on a high pay job with the help of that professional qualification.
This is preparing me for the future. What is there to prepare for today?
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Quote: from marshmellowman at 10:05 pm on April 28, 2008
Yes, we are growing faster than ever, learning has increases, so has education. Technology is at it's forefront.
From what i see of british education, they are teaching what we need to know today, rather than preparing us for what we need to know tommorow. I dont see the education system really preparing children for whats to come. (and i work in a school IT department)
That's a really vague statement though. What's preparing for what's to come?
I'm about to finish my A-Levels, and have taken my GCSEs so that I can gain useful qualifications that help me land a job, and a place at university. Later on a high pay job with the help of that professional qualification.
This is preparing me for the future. What is there to prepare for today?
Example: E-paper is very soon going to replace real paper, how many people of your generation have only very basic computer skills? how many have none? and this is something that will occur in our lifetimes.
How many people do you know who actually grasp how a simple computer network works? this is something that will be in EVERY home in the world within 50 years. Will the education that kindergardeners today recive prepare them to manage even their own homes?
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Example: E-paper is very soon going to replace real paper,
It won't. E-ink technology is still limited, and we've only found it being used as a display, rather than an actual paper substitute. plus its shit expensive (eg, Amazon Kindle, Sony eReader).
how many people of your generation have only very basic computer skills? how many have none? and this is something that will occur in our lifetimes.
What do you mean my generation? At our school we have computers everywhere, and a large portion from year 8-10 is teaching an ICT based GCSE equivalent course. It's pretty boring, but you learn how to use word and etc.
Not to mention at my old school (primary school ages 5-11) they've already got smart board, projectors and laptops in the classrooms. That's pretty damn far ahead for a small state school.
How many people do you know who actually grasp how a simple computer network works? this is something that will be in EVERY home in the world within 50 years.
We don't really need to know how the computer networks work. Those who do find out for themselves (like me). PRetty much a lot of households already have a simple computer network (router, multiple computers, perhaps a wifi access point).
Will the education that kindergardeners today recive prepare them to manage even their own homes?
Yes. At least in England.
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Maybe the education in the US needs to seriously improve. From what I've read, it's nothing like it is here. My chemistry teacher has an American wife, and he says that it is really behind there. Like a few years behind Britain.
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Quote: from marshmellowman at 10:35 pm on April 28, 2008
Example: E-paper is very soon going to replace real paper,
It won't. E-ink technology is still limited, and we've only found it being used as a display, rather than an actual paper substitute. plus its shit expensive (eg, Amazon Kindle, Sony eReader).
how many people of your generation have only very basic computer skills? how many have none? and this is something that will occur in our lifetimes.
What do you mean my generation? At our school we have computers everywhere, and a large portion from year 8-10 is teaching an ICT based GCSE equivalent course. It's pretty boring, but you learn how to use word and etc.
Not to mention at my old school (primary school ages 5-11) they've already got smart board, projectors and laptops in the classrooms. That's pretty damn far ahead for a small state school.
Yes, i work for a school and see everyday what they teach, i also see the kids who are following instruction to the letter or following their friend, and i deal with the kids who dont know how a USB pen drive works. these are year 10's and 11's in an average graded state school. They are not learning mearly repeating.
How many people do you know who actually grasp how a simple computer network works? this is something that will be in EVERY home in the world within 50 years.
We don't really need to know how the computer networks work. Those who do find out for themselves (like me). PRetty much a lot of households already have a simple computer network (router, multiple computers, perhaps a wifi access point).
Will the education that kindergardeners today recive prepare them to manage even their own homes?
Yes. At least in England.
I am in england and i dont see the kids leaving today being able to do this and these are the parents of the future.
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Quote: from marshmellowman at 10:35 pm on April 28, 2008
It won't. E-ink technology is still limited, and we've only found it being used as a display, rather than an actual paper substitute. plus its shit expensive (eg, Amazon Kindle, Sony eReader).
That really didn't change anything. It's just statements of ignorance. My statement is not. E-ink is being developed, but it is not here yet. When it is, children will learn how to use it, just like with computers, pens, etc.
What do you mean my generation? At our school we have computers everywhere, and a large portion from year 8-10 is teaching an ICT based GCSE equivalent course. It's pretty boring, but you learn how to use word and etc.
Not to mention at my old school (primary school ages 5-11) they've already got smart board, projectors and laptops in the classrooms. That's pretty damn far ahead for a small state school.
Yes, i work for a school and see everyday what they teach, i also see the kids who are following instruction to the letter or following their friend, and i deal with the kids who dont know how a USB pen drive works. these are year 10's and 11's in an average graded state school. They are not learning mearly repeating.
Do you mean they don't know how it works, or how to use it? You don't NEED to know HOW a pendrive works. That's pretty complicated stuff. I only know because of my own research and GCSE electronics. You don't need to know how a computer works in order to use it effectively
We don't really need to know how the computer networks work. Those who do find out for themselves (like me). PRetty much a lot of households already have a simple computer network (router, multiple computers, perhaps a wifi access point).
I am in england and i dont see the kids leaving today being able to do this and these are the parents of the future.
Then you really don't get the system here. It's pretty damn good. You shouldn't be so worried. We can't adopt and teach technology to things that aren't even in production yet. Like I said, when it becomes truly viable, the children will learn.
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You realize this is not in DTRM, right? Just making sure.
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