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evaunitblack

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Humans have intrinsic worth. We elevate each other's dignity above animals because we don't want to be treated like animals.

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Majo


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I actually tend to feel more for animals than I do for humans.

Anyways, I've wondered the same thing myself. Some people seem to think animals are unintelligent and unfeeling creatures when all one need do is watch one sometime to see that that's not true. If they weren't intelligent and/or couldn't feel, wouldn't it stand to reason that they'd all have similar personalities? And that they wouldn't grow attached to people or other things? My one dog was afraid of guns. Didn't even want a toy one pointed at her. My other dog is afraid of thunderstorms, she always runs to one of us and begs to be held.

And, I thought this was interesting, my Gram once pointed out how we can't understand them but they can understand us. They learn a name, they learn commands, they learn routines...but no matter how much time we spend around them, we still can't understand exactly what they're saying.

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It actually makes me feel more sad to see... like, an obese pet than an obese human.
And I felt more sorry for Boxer the racehorse than Anna Nicole Smith... :P
But I think it's true that intrinsicly we care more for our own well-being to keep populating ourselves all over the planet. It's unnerving to see those related to us - even mammals, birds/reptiles - dead. However, for insects, plants, etc., we don't feel that same grief.

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Quote: from Black Sheep at 11:51 pm on April 24, 2008

Because humans are specieists. It's like programmed in our brains.

Personally, I feel more sympathetic to animals than humans. I hate people.


I have to say that I completely, and 100% agree with this. I think people are selfish, low life creatures, while animals are innocent creatures who only do what they need to do and what they are told to do to live. If you hit an animal they will still love you and be loyal to you. It's your job to feed them, their lives are in YOUR hands. I utterly despise people who abuse animals, and I regard animals in higher esteem than people. By far.

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Honestly, I'd make a huge deal if my dog ever got shot. It isn't that animals are less intelligent than us. Some animals, like humans, don't have a family, and then, do we honestly care?

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Ryan Potter


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I believe it's because human emotions are far more deep-rooted and complex than that of animals, causing us to care for each other much more.  The only thing stopping us from just killing off the mentally challenged for holding back the human race is our morals, which are based on emotion.

No, I'm not saying we should kill them, I was merely proving a point, just so you know.


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MotoMojo


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Give animals a language that is as quick and efficient as spoken word, and they'll start catching up.

Technically, humans are animals. I don't think we should separate ourselves so far as to suggest that we are a different class of "being" than an animal. Really, the only thing that makes me think of myself as human apart from beast is the illusion of society that has been impressed on my mind from my experiences and what I've conjured up to fill in the imaginative gaps that spoken language often leaves.

Now, I know the brain capabilities of a healthy human and a healthy dog are different, but the situation is the same when comparing a dog to, say, a mouse. If humans didn't exist, there'd be another "most intelligent" animal. Also, I would bargain that if you gave dolphins limbs with opposable thumbs and lungs, they could be capable of developing a civilization very similar to mankind's.

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We are not any different from the animals, we are not the only species which holds the billet of being self-aware. We are not the only animal which has raw and real emotion, we are not the only animal with language, we are not the only animal capable of solving puzzles and we are not the only animal that mourns its dead or defends its living.

The are, however, the only animal with currency that I know of.

There is a gorilla which I have seen that changed my entire perspective on this subject, she could perform American Sign, she could develop her own signs which she hadn't been taught (just like a human), she had a pet cat, she mourned when she discovered the pet cat got out of the compound and was hit by a car, those who took care of her were very morally upset by the fact that she was so incredibly "human" that they worried about the implications of her situation, the fact that while Koko the Gorilla was by all standards "human" other than the fact that she's a Gorilla that they thought it was wrong to habitat her, because it was like keeping a prisoner who'd committed no crime.

In fact, her primary caregiver and the woman who taught her sign decided to never do it again because it ended so tragically, with Koko being so far removed from the Gorillas that she preferred a butchy male janitor as a mate to an actual male Gorilla.

If I ever encounter someone doing anything to one of these Gorillas, I will treat that someone as though he is doing whatever he's doing to an actual person, and act accordingly.

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what if i teach american sign to a bunch of gorillas and scam them all into a pyramid scheme

what would you do

Post edited at 9:47 pm on June 28, 2008 by Apotheosis


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Moridin


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Other humans, and certain other great apes is objectively more valuable in fulfilling your own values than any random non-ape animal.

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