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You do realise that's pretty goddamn stupid, right? Seriously, have you actually thought about the implications of such a law at all?

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The implications wouldn't be much different to the implications the copyright laws already in place. Not for original designs, anyway.

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What's to stop someone claiming they came up with the original design for those shitty barbed wire armbands and launching lawsuits against everyone who has one?

Also, what the hell does it matter? It's not like someone is going to make a copy of the tattoo and distribute it, causing the artist to lose money, is it?

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Quote: from Loud Dog at 10:38 pm on Dec. 6, 2007

What's to stop someone claiming they came up with the original design for those shitty barbed wire armbands and launching lawsuits against everyone who has one?

Also, what the hell does it matter? It's not like someone is going to make a copy of the tattoo and distribute it, causing the artist to lose money, is it?


It doesn't have to cause the original artist to lose money in order for it to be considered a copyright infringement. The fact is that someone is making money from copying someone else's artwork, and that's what copyright law condones. That barbed wire tattoo could be interpreted in many different ways. A fully qualified tattoo artist should be perfectly capable of either creating a tattoo from scratch, or adding their own style or interpretation to another tattoo or reference image. By replicating someone else's tattoo exactly, the tattoo artist is effectively distributing that person's intellectual property. There's no reason why someone's body can't be a distribution medium. Anyway, I didn't ask for a flame war; I simply expressed my opinion, and it's not going to change for you.

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How the hell is this a flame war? I've avoided personal attacks entirely. I'm just trying to illustrate that copyright law cannot be applied to tattoos in any meaningful way.

Aside from that, what does it matter if someone copies a tattoo? How does such an action have a negative impact on anything, really?

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You referred to one of the tattoos I posted as 'shitty', you are attacking my opinion, and the conversation is heading towards a flame war.

How does any breach of copyright law impact on anything? If a tattoo artist rips a tattoo design, the person getting the tattoo isn't getting original work, the original artist is deprived of possible income, and the ripping artist gets a good reputation they don't deserve. I thought that would have been obvious. Copyrighting tattoos would force tattoo artists to put their creativity to use, instead of using cheap shortcuts.

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Creativity is not a prerequisite for being a tattoo artist. All you need is sufficent artistic talent to transfer a design from paper onto skin.

What about people who intentionally want to replicate a design? Should they not be allowed to do that? The original artist is not being deprived of work, because the person is not going to travel however far to get them to do it anyway. It makes no damn sense to make certain designs exclusive and force people to find the owner if they want one.

As for undeserved reputation, around here anyway the reputation of the artist is based on the quality of the work, not the composition. The design is largely irrelevant in relation to judging the artist. Aside from that, who the hell goes to a tattoo artist and asks them for a design without actually knowing what they want it to look like?

Not to mention how completely impossible to enforce such a law would be. If you forbid exact replications, what's to stop people from changing a slight detail? It's not the original, is it? If that's disallowed, how much do you have to change a design for it to be allowable?

Shit, why do I care so much? I guess this is a subject close to my heart. RESPOND.

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Tattoo artists want other artists to use their work.  They want their designs to be built upon, modified, and redesigned.  That's what conventions are for -- sharing your designs for other artists to emulate and evolve.  Copywriting a tattoo is a stupid fucking idea and, realistically, cannot be forced.

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To be honest, if I spent a great deal of time and effort designing a tattoo and then had it permenantly inked on my body, I would want it to be mine. I wouldn't want someone to just go copy it. If you get something like a heart on your hip, then obviously there's gonna ba 9999 people out there with the same tattoo, but some custom work is really unique. I'd be very hurt if someone copied my hypothetical tattoo.

I'm just looking at pictures on bmezine. There are an incredible number of bad tattoos out there...it's amazing.

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I love my tattoo

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Quote: from Loud Dog at 4:38 pm on Nov. 12, 2007

Quote: from BluePickles at 1:54 pm on Nov. 4, 2007

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A dragon? Holy shit! Original!

I blindly assume you are being sarcastic.
Yes I do realise a lot of people will have dragon tattoos, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to get one if I want to.
I love dragons. I have dragon paraphenalia all over my room, I have numerous books on them, and I adore the whole myth and legend surrounding them.
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My first instinct is always to criticize, I'll admit. It's a bad tattoo at all. Looks kinda like one of mine so I'm really in no position to fling stones.

I must be getting soft in my old age.

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Quote: from Killtyronedead at 10:07 pm on Dec. 10, 2007

They want their designs to be built upon, modified, and redesigned.

That's fine, but do they want their tattoo to be flat out copied? That would be a breach of copyright law, and even if copyright law prohibits the use of other tattoos to create a new one, the law could always be modified for tattoos.

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Quote: from Loud Dog at 12:07 am on Dec. 10, 2007

Creativity is not a prerequisite for being a tattoo artist.
Maybe not on paper it isn't, but to be any sort of artist, you obviously need some degree of creativity.


What about people who intentionally want to replicate a design? Should they not be allowed to do that?
Without the permission of the original tattoo artist, no.


The original artist is not being deprived of work, because the person is not going to travel however far to get them to do it anyway.
It's a simple case if tough luck if the original artist doesn't want their work copied. As you've already pointed out and as I am aware, many tattoo artists are willing to allow other artists to use or copy their work. Apply this statement to other forms of intellectual property - it's just not fair on the original artist. For example, if someone in America wants a paint job on their car from a specific company in New Zealand. Just because that company doesn't want to pay to send an artist and their equipment to America doesn't mean that an American artist is automatically allowed to copy the paint job and make money from it.


It makes no damn sense to make certain designs exclusive and force people to find the owner if they want one.
Yes, it does. That's probably the main foundation of copyright law. You must obtain permission from the original artist if you wish to use their work in a way that copyright law prohibits, e.g. to make profit from it. If a tattoo artist wishes to allow other artists to use their work, all they have to do is express it. If they wish to allow only a few artists to use their work, then they can simply ask the interested artists to contact them. It isn't that hard, as a tattooed person, to remember where the tattoo was done or even the artist's name.


As for undeserved reputation, around here anyway the reputation of the artist is based on the quality of the work, not the composition. The design is largely irrelevant in relation to judging the artist. Aside from that, who the hell goes to a tattoo artist and asks them for a design without actually knowing what they want it to look like?
What's stopping the artist from modifying the tattoo so that it reflects their own style, while still satisfying the customer's desires?


how much do you have to change a design for it to be allowable?
I'm pretty sure this is determined on a case-by-case basis with any other copyright infringements.

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