Like what do they have against each other?

Tell me English people of LW, what do you think of the French?

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The french apparently "betrayed" americans in the past during support for a war or something like that. I was never good in history.

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i'm not english anyway

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Moreover, as the rulers of England also have land is France, they are very involved in French affairs.  Forutnately for them, the French monarchy during the High Middle Ages was very weak, but gradually grew stronger until they eventually began consolidating their power all over France and the territories that were once under the control of the English king became under the control of the French king.  This culminated into the Hundred Years War (1337 - 1453, which is more like a series of separate wars over largely the same reasons), in which England lost and fell into further ruin through its civil war, the Wars of the Roses.

So there had always been some animosity between the English and French by the time the colonial era began, which was all rooted in what I described.

Edit: Grammar.

Post edited at 6:54 am on June 26, 2008 by Bud2400

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The whole conflict with England and France goes way back to 1066, when the Normans (Vikings who settled in Normandy, or in northern France for those of you who don't know your geograohy, around the late 800s or so, who wound up becoming basically French by 1066) invaded and conquered England.  As a result, this created a lot of ties between the English ruling class and that of France - because remember, the Duke of Normandy was the vassal of the King of France, but now the Duke of Normandy was also the King of England, meaning that the King of England was the vassal of the King of France.  Obviously in reality, this wasn't the case, but as you can tell, it created quite the mess.

Moreover, as the rulers of England also have land is France, they are very involved in French affairs.  Forutnately for them, the French monarchy during the High Middle Ages was very weak, but gradually grew stronger until they eventually began consolidating their power all over France and the territories that were once under the control of the English king is now under the control of the French king.  This culminated into the Hundred Years War (1337 - 1453, which is more like a series of separate wars over largely the same reasons), in which England lost and fell into further ruin through its civil war, the Wars of the Roses.

So there had always been some animosity between the English and French by the time the colonial era began, which was all rooted in what I described.

Edit: Grammar.

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So you're saying that's what it's over still?

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So you're saying that's what it's over still?

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No, not really.  I'm telling you that when we think of hate between England and France that this is where it all really started - which is the answer to what you asked in your OP, is it not?

Most of it stems from wars and other conflicts starting back around the year 1066. More recently, the US and UK bailed out the French in WWII when they couldn't hang with the Germans.

I think the Brits basically fell like the French laid down on their backs with their legs in the air when Hitler invaded - you know like a dog does when he's scared?

But then they talked tough like, "Zer was nozing we cud 'ave don against zese crazy nazis!"

Which of course is totally bogus since those same nazis bombed the living stew out of England and the brits never gave in.

Then you've got all the other junk, like the french whine a lot, don't shave their armpits, think they're better than everyone, etc.

Of course, there was that guy Zidane in the last world cup that head butted the Italian player for saying something about his mother...so I guess some of them are OK - I think even the brits thought that guy was cool.

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Quote: from Furry Penis at 6:54 am on June 26, 2008

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So you're saying that's what it's over still?

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No, not really.  I'm telling you that when we think of hate between England and France that this is where it all really started - which is the answer to what you asked in your OP, is it not?

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Oh yeah I guess so.

But I was just wondering what excuse their using now... like Americans who dislike Mexicans in general will say it's because of illegal immigration, etc.

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Quote: from Bud2400 at 6:56 am on June 26, 2008

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Quote: from Furry Penis at 6:54 am on June 26, 2008

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So you're saying that's what it's over still?

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 No, not really. I'm telling you that when we think of hate between England and France that this is where it all really started - which is the answer to what you asked in your OP, is it not?

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Oh yeah I guess so.  

But I was just wondering what excuse their using now... like Americans who dislike Mexicans in general will say it's because of illegal immigration, etc.

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I think it is just several centuries of bad blood that started with that.

Then there is Napoleon who goes to war with England etc.

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But then they talked tough like, "Zer was nozing we cud 'ave don against zese crazy nazis!"

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Heh, this isn't so much the reason for animosity between the UK and France as much as it is the reason for animosity between the whole world and France. France has always had a very protective policy for things such as its language. There are French laws which limit the amount of foreign songs played on the radio for example. The French have had a foreign policy since Charles de Gaulle of trying to assert their power and be allied with the US and UK, yet at the same time be independent. Of course, the French tend to go a little overboard at times...

Honestly, any real tension between England and France has diminished since the Napoleonic Wars. Most of their tension came from being two competing powers in Western Europe and abroad, and after the Napoleonic Wars, the UK surpassed France by quite a bit in terms of economic and military power. Despite whatever resentment the French might have had towards the English for it (and vice versa for other reasons), they have been allies for the most part for about the last 200 years or so.

Post edited at 7:08 am on June 26, 2008 by Bud2400

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But I was just wondering what excuse their using now... like Americans who dislike Mexicans in general will say it's because of illegal immigration, etc.

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Like Barnabas said, bad blood fuels hatred in later generations. Bad experiences between each other during the High Middle Ages will fuel tension and hatred between each other during the colonial period, and that will only repeat itself in later generations.

Honestly, though, most people from England that I've known don't really hate the French at all (at least nothing like some Americans may hate Mexicans - and be sure you don't confuse illegal immigrants with Mexicans by the way). They might think the French are snobs and the French might scoff at the English for some reason or another, but a lot of European nations are like that today. If you ever get a Swede and a Dane in the same room together, be prepared for a lot of similarly natured jokes.

Post edited at 7:12 am on June 26, 2008 by Bud2400