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For a being to be alive, it's proponents must first be inanimate--meaning that if something is alive, there must have previously existed the parts which are not alive, but are existent, to combine and react to facilitate life.  

Otherwise, if there were no inanimate objects to start with, life wouldn't have contrast from inanimate objects and couldn't exist.

Take humans, the most intelligent known form of 'life'. Ninety-nine percent of the mass of the human body is made up of the six elements oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus. These elements are not "alive" by themselves, nor do they become "alive" if we just put them all into a container with each other. However, they are physically what we are composed of, and we are "alive".

If god is/was alive/an intelligent being, he would have to be made of something inanimate. What was god made out of? What is different about these elements that make god, not only alive, but capable of interfering with the very elements and laws that he exists by?

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he would be made up from at least one of everthing to be able to interact with everything, includes all staes of matter (over 5 states of matter there is) and poss exsist in all dimansions, just guessing at this, also due to the complextiy of this he may just randemly explode

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God is made of win

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Well, what I'm getting at is this. God, according to many theists' beliefs, created the universe and everything. How could something alive exist at all without something inanimate to form the components of its life? Is god's life facilitated only by "life"? In that case, what is "life"? -- if it's not the combination of inanimate proponents to form a living whole?

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And if God created everything, he must have created the elements which he's made out of before he even came into existence.

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Quote: from MotoMojo at 7:32 pm on July 6, 2008

And if God created everything, he must have created the elements which he's made out of before he even came into existence.

But a spirit would be a collection if thought nd would not need elements

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But thought is only produced by life which only exists if inanimate objects exist previously to compose this place of thought.

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Quote: from MotoMojo at 7:45 pm on July 6, 2008

But thought is only produced by life which only exists if inanimate objects exist previously to compose this place of thought.

But God is technacly not alive

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And even if thought could exist without life, what is it made of? I don't think there is a definite answer for that, but thought is, to my knowledge, not possible without electricity. What conducts the electricity for a collection of thoughts by themselves?

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God isn't alive? How so?

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Can you can answer the question of why an inanimate object is not alive yet there are things consisting of the same basic materials that are alive?

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Not definitely, but I'm sure it has something to do with the ratios of the elements, their physical location in relation to one another, and the way their chemical properties react in certain environments, such as in a uterus.

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Quote: from MotoMojo at 1:53 pm on July 6, 2008

Not definitely, but I'm sure it has something to do with the ratios of the elements, their physical location in relation to one another, and the way their chemical properties react in certain environments, such as in a uterus.
But not every living thing has a uterus, only higher animal life forms and then only the females. What's the difference between a rock and a tree based on elemental make-up? Why is a tree alive and a rock not? What 'essence' does a tree have that a rock does not?

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The question isn't whether an atheist can make sense of chemistry, but whether a Christian can make sense of God in terms of reality.

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A rock is not capable of responding to its environment in any way other than.. well.. a rock. It corrodes over time and moves when a force is exerted upon it. The rock does not convert energy from any form to any other form.

A tree converts light, C02, and water to oxygen, sugar, and, in a round-about way, more tree.

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