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silverbullets
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Quote: from pumpkin475 at 12:44 am on July 7, 2008
 Quote: from silverbullets at 7:54 pm on July 6, 2008
Quote: from pumpkin475 at 8:50 pm on July 6, 2008
Quote: from silverbullets at 5:46 pm on July 6, 2008
you sound like a real bitch. being that you made an entire long topic about how you have no sympathy for suicidal people and that they can change if they want to, just goes to show that you dont know shit. 
lol apparently didn't thoroughly read my entire topic. and if you did, you didn't comprehend everything i said. i informed you that the people with REAL problems are the ones i can sympathize with. hence that i said "real" problems. not the people who have no good reason for suicide
i did read your whole topic. twice actually.
how do you determine what a "real" problem is. is there like a problemeter that i have failed to see here?..... didnt think so. and wtf are you talking about when you say some people have "no good reason" for suicide. wtf are you on to think anything is a GOOD reason. people dont need a reason to end theyr life. its theyr decision, not theyr reason. man, your such an obnoxious dick!
oh wow. why resort to such language? i never lowered myself to say such rude things to you. instead, i discussed my opinions with you but in turn you so vilely insult me. shows lots of character anyway back on subject. i never sadi a good reason to commit suicide, i said a good reason to feel suicidal sure people have the "right" to commit suicide just like you have the "right" to insult me so disgustingly. it doesn't make it ok just because you have that right. suicide is selfish. end of discussion
sorry for the last part. im just pissed off (not at you). but whatever. how can you justify suicide being selfish. and you did say "no GOOD REASON for suicide"
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Quote: from pumpkin475 at 7:47 pm on July 6, 2008
Ii have found compassion. it was through my "compassion" that i learned what i know now. i used to sympathize her. you know where that got me? no where. all it gave me was future drama that she decided to add to my life all because she doesn't wanna be alone in her "suffering" and she's not the only friend who's done that to me. i have a friend who used to be suicidal and once again it was an attention thing. i had compassion then but through self awareness, and thinking outside of the box, i realized all that i do about suicide and how horrible it is
how did self awarenes and thinking outside the box come into play? are you writing a resume or talking about someone dying??? Compassion is caring that someone lives or dies, it is not getting involved in the drama, it is not enabling their fantasies..It is saying, "hey, I care if you live or die" you did not learn compassion you learned to be jaded and judgemental.
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( pumpkin475 )
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Quote: from silverbullets at 9:58 pm on July 6, 2008
Quote: from pumpkin475 at 12:44 am on July 7, 2008
Quote: from silverbullets at 7:54 pm on July 6, 2008
Quote: from pumpkin475 at 8:50 pm on July 6, 2008
Quote: from silverbullets at 5:46 pm on July 6, 2008
you sound like a real bitch. being that you made an entire long topic about how you have no sympathy for suicidal people and that they can change if they want to, just goes to show that you dont know shit.
lol apparently didn't thoroughly read my entire topic. and if you did, you didn't comprehend everything i said. i informed you that the people with REAL problems are the ones i can sympathize with. hence that i said "real" problems. not the people who have no good reason for suicide
i did read your whole topic. twice actually.
how do you determine what a "real" problem is. is there like a problemeter that i have failed to see here?..... didnt think so. and wtf are you talking about when you say some people have "no good reason" for suicide. wtf are you on to think anything is a GOOD reason. people dont need a reason to end theyr life. its theyr decision, not theyr reason. man, your such an obnoxious dick!
oh wow. why resort to such language? i never lowered myself to say such rude things to you. instead, i discussed my opinions with you but in turn you so vilely insult me. shows lots of character anyway back on subject. i never sadi a good reason to commit suicide, i said a good reason to feel suicidal sure people have the "right" to commit suicide just like you have the "right" to insult me so disgustingly. it doesn't make it ok just because you have that right. suicide is selfish. end of discussion
sorry for the last part. im just pissed off (not at you). but whatever. how can you justify suicide being selfish. and you did say "no GOOD REASON for suicide"
goodenough4u asked made a similar comment about suicide not being selfish or something. this was my reply to her/him: "i've thoguht about this before and this is the conclusion i came to:
when one person kills themself, they leave NUMEROUS people to suffer. it is an incredible pain to loose someone. have you ever lost someone before? someone close. if you have, then you know how bad it hurts and how long it takes to get over it (and some people dont get over it). you see when someone kills themself, the people left behind often spend their entire life hating themself because they feel like it might have been their fault or they could have done something to prevent that person for suicide. all these different repercussions take place all because of ONE person's selfish act. that is lot of crap to go through because of one person however if that person remains alive, sure they'll still be depressed but i believe it's better for one person to be depressed rather than an entire family and all those friends be depressed as well as some living in remorse for the rest of their lives. and not to mention how this person who wants to end their life has the chance to make life better. but they refuse that chance. so it's selfish. they could have changed, but they rather not and leave everyone to suffer. " and also, i may have say "no good reason for suicide" but in that comment, you made it sound like i was saying that there IS a good reason for suicide and i was telling you that i never said i thought there was a good reason for suicide. in rare instances, there may be a good reason. like in some martial arts movie, a girl was being closed in by a huge group of rapists and they were going to (bet you'll never guess) rape her and then murder her. so before they could do that, she grabbed a glass shard and cut her throat because she new she was going to die and she did not want to die in the way they would kill her. rare things like that are understandable. but in my opinion, the whole "boohoo i'm so depressed and i'm such a screw up so i'm gonna kill myself instead of just changing myself and controling my actions, not caring how much it will hurt my friends and family" thing doesn't go well with me.
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( pumpkin475 )
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Quote: from barnabas at 10:08 pm on July 6, 2008
Quote: from pumpkin475 at 7:47 pm on July 6, 2008
Ii have found compassion. it was through my "compassion" that i learned what i know now. i used to sympathize her. you know where that got me? no where. all it gave me was future drama that she decided to add to my life all because she doesn't wanna be alone in her "suffering" and she's not the only friend who's done that to me. i have a friend who used to be suicidal and once again it was an attention thing. i had compassion then but through self awareness, and thinking outside of the box, i realized all that i do about suicide and how horrible it is
how did self awarenes and thinking outside the box come into play? are you writing a resume or talking about someone dying??? Compassion is caring that someone lives or dies, it is not getting involved in the drama, it is not enabling their fantasies..It is saying, "hey, I care if you live or die" you did not learn compassion you learned to be jaded and judgemental.
if i say it once, i'll say it twice: i said that if she were to actually kill herself, i would feel remorse but not symapthy. let me take the time to explain it to you. the REASON i hate suicide so much is because i dont want people to die. life is worth living. me and this girl i've been talking about have talked to each other about her whole suicide thing before. and i told her that, basically. and i informed her of how it would hurt her family, friends, and her 2 year long bf. i already said that if she died, i would be sad and heartbroken that she was dead. but i would NOT sympathize the fact that she killed herself. remorse and sympathy are two different things. remorse means to feel sadness or depression. sympathy means to fell sorry for something or someone. i do not feel sorry for selfish people. i may cry for their demise, but not feel sorry for them. in the case of suicide, that person had the chance to change and make their life better. but they decided to give up, leaving their friends and family behind to have the repercussions of depression and guilt. it is common that when someone commits suicide, the people left behind will remain their whole life thinking that it's all their fault or that if they just would have done this differently, if they woulda done that, then maybe that person would have not commited suicide. suicide people leave the people behind to suffer for basically the rest of their life. and because of that, i do not sympathize with them for their selfish act. i'll be depressed that they're dead, but with no sympathy. you said "how did self awarenes and thinking outside the box come into play? are you writing a resume or talking about someone dying???" self awareness and thinking outside of the box are two very important analyzing processes. it means thinking about how you feel about something and then exploring reasons and logics as to why someone would feel a certain way about something. after all my analyzing that i've done, i've reached the logical conclusion as to why suicide is horrible, under the conditions that the person was able to change their life and make it better. if you read a post about (i think it's right above but not sure) you'll read an example i gave to someone else of when suicide would be understandable.
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