BILLY SHEARS

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Quote: from samantha123 at 8:33 pm on Nov. 1, 2005

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Quote: from laylow at 1:46 am on Oct. 30, 2005

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if you've been raped its not the babies fault dont kill it.

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Whoaaaa excuse me here for one second..... Males really have no say so as when a woman gets raped and becomes pregnant. If you were a woman, and your bf, husband, whatever raped you, and you became pregnant, would you SERIOUSLY want to carry on a pregnancy for 9 months and everyday looking at your stomach and knowing WHY you are pregnant and knowing exactly how your baby was concieved? I do not think so! I was going to get an abortion when I was 15 because I was raped and became pregnant, and at 15 I think I would have had my parents permission because they would have agreed with me, but I had a misscarriage instead. No woman in her right mind would want to carry on a pregnancy after being raped, because everyday you look into the mirror and see that baby growing inside of you is going to haunt you, and believe me, I know how it feels personally.
 

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Are you sure about this? My mother was raped and put me up for adoption. So I was an evil little baby haunting my mother every second of the day? Does me being the product of a rapist, make me less deserving of life? I sure don't feel evil, you act like I automatically inherited the genes of my father.

Could it be that regardless of how I was conceived, I was always an innocent child? One that came into the world and was adopted by a loving family.

I hope you can see past the tragedy of rape, and see the life of the child that did nothing wrong.

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It's nice to know that your mother gave you life even if she was rapped.  But because she loved you, she gave you into the arms of a loving couple.  Which I think is a very brave thing to do.

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Quote: from samantha123 at 8:33 pm on Nov. 1, 2005

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Quote: from laylow at 1:46 am on Oct. 30, 2005

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if you've been raped its not the babies fault dont kill it.

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Whoaaaa excuse me here for one second..... Males really have no say so as when a woman gets raped and becomes pregnant. If you were a woman, and your bf, husband, whatever raped you, and you became pregnant, would you SERIOUSLY want to carry on a pregnancy for 9 months and everyday looking at your stomach and knowing WHY you are pregnant and knowing exactly how your baby was concieved? I do not think so! I was going to get an abortion when I was 15 because I was raped and became pregnant, and at 15 I think I would have had my parents permission because they would have agreed with me, but I had a misscarriage instead. No woman in her right mind would want to carry on a pregnancy after being raped, because everyday you look into the mirror and see that baby growing inside of you is going to haunt you, and believe me, I know how it feels personally.
 

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Are you sure about this? My mother was raped and put me up for adoption. So I was an evil little baby haunting my mother every second of the day? Does me being the product of a rapist, make me less deserving of life? I sure don't feel evil, you act like I automatically inherited the genes of my father.

Could it be that regardless of how I was conceived, I was always an innocent child? One that came into the world and was adopted by a loving family.

I hope you can see past the tragedy of rape, and see the life of the child that did nothing wrong.

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You are still avoiding my question. But you still have answered it by your comments that some people become nuns, and don't have sex at all there entire live.

2nd your logic is flawed. You use biology to describe the reason why someone has no choice in who/when/if they have sex. And yet you use society to describe why they have sex. Do you realize that your arguements cancel each other out?

First off, sexual organs are ment to be used to create a baby. The sex is just the process of those organs combining in order to create the baby.  

Society is what changes the issue, you are correct. And you are correct about the change of the role of sex. That is why people should be more responsible, and should take responsibility for their action. They shouldn't be having sex with someone they wouldn't stay with in the event that they get pregnant, and they shouldn't be having sex if they aren't not ready to have the baby if they do get pregnant.

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Ok.  So I answered your question, but didnt answer it?  I am obviously not going to say what you want to hear, so you cant be selective about the answer you get.

As for your second paragraph-
There has always been a choice in the person you want to have sex with.  There has always been the choice of when you want to have sex.  The point is, that whatever you decide, it is part of human life to WANT/NEED to have sex.  Well, originally it was.  And back then it was for a different reason.  Oh boy.  It feels like I am repeating myself AGAIN!  But you DO understand what I am saying, right?

No, my arguments dont cancel eachother out.  Had you read the entire post, you would have realised that.  It's called the evolution of ideas and society.  Once upon a time, sex was for children.  But people still need sex, but now its not always about having children.  So that means it is acceptable in society to be having sex without the desire for children.  And it is a contradiction to have this acceptance for sex, and a pro-life stance on abortion for ALL women at the same time.  Obviously accidents happen.  No contraception is 100%.  I saw a documentary once where a woman who had been sterilized got pregnant.

Your third paragraph-
I already answered that.  I must have repeated myself a 100 times by now, explaining that same statement.  If you still dont understand, I will explain it further.  But if so, then dont keep typing it.

You cannot go around telling people what they should and shouldnt do! Especially if what they are doing isnt even considered wrong by society in general!  Is it YOUR business to go around telling people off for having sex when they dont want a baby?

They make their own decisions, and sometimes bad outcomes arise.  So?  It happens!  Have you never done something with good intentions and had it backfire?  If not, then as a human being, you must be in a class of your own.  No one is free from mistakes, and to become pregnant when you dont want to, is clearly a mistake.

Now, just to clear this up:

I am totally ok with individual people having their own beliefs.  But when people who are pro-life go around telling pro-choice people that they are terrible, and that they are the worst kind of person for having an abortion (or even allowing the possibility of one) then I find that unacceptable.

You are free to believe what you want, but the option for abortion should always be there.  That way, both sides win.  If you dont believe in abortions, dont get one.  Simple.


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There is an undeniable hilarity in spooking your friends.
It's only the beautiful birds that get caged.

However, abortion shouldn't be taken lightly--it should be regarded as a final measure, and not a form of birth control.

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"Happy is what happens when all your dreams come true." -- Wicked.

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Has anyone read the book "The Giver". In this book the society is perfect. They have all of their resources regulated just right so no one goes hungry. Only certain people are allowed to have sex in order to make babies. Wannabe parents have to potition the government in order to raise one of the babies popped out by one of the baby producers. I think this is an excellent idea.  

Further more the book talks about killing old people who are too old, and who aren't worth the resources to keep them around, and when there are too many babies to feed, or there are babies who won't stop crying, they have a doctor stick the baby with a big long needle in the back of the head to smash all of the brains out. Its a baby so it can't feel anything. I think this is also an excellent idea. This way there won't be any extra mouths to feed, and society won't have to take care of unwanted babies and old people.

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I've read The Giver (by Lois Lowry) and it was definitely a good book. However, the topic that was being addressed in that novel was euthanasia.

Essentially, this is the same practice used in order to murder unwanted animals because there are too many. Yet, should this be analogous to humans?

I don't think so, it's an interesting idea, however there was already a Dr. Kevorkian who dealt with euthanasia, and was ultimately dealt jail time.

Abortion and euthanasia can be considered in the same light, but to apply them to the elderly, the sick and ectera is ridiculous.

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"Happy is what happens when all your dreams come true." -- Wicked.

how can priests etc in the vatican or in local churches preach pro-life when they have supposedly never had sex in their lives, therefore they know nothing of bringing up a child and how hard it may be for some parents

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If everyone was the same the whole world would be painted red.

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I am pro-life definately, I believe that when a child is conceived that it is a person even though it isn't fully formed...I think abortion is murder...but that is just me...

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The main reason for that, would be that it becomes dangerous to the mother to have too many abortions.  But saying that, I still dont think there should be a limit on the number of abortions allowed, because some people just have alot of bad luck.

AND, to Energizer Rabit, my argument still stands.  You will not change my mind with the things you are posting, because they dont make sense, your points contradict eachother and basically you have been repeating yourself since this started.  Im sure you can find new information somewhere on the internet...

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There is an undeniable hilarity in spooking your friends.
It's only the beautiful birds that get caged.