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No, they aren't. I can, easily, prove that the downfall of many civilizations was due to race mixing.

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No, you cannot easily, or with difficulty [prove] that the downfall of any civilization was due to the genetic realities of race mixing. There are too many side factors for you to show that race-mixing was ever to blame.

Your confidence in the fault of race-mixing, when you cannot prove it and combined with your half-hidden opinion that the white race is superior shows clear as day that your opinions are not based on objective realities, but on your racist views. If you want to be a racist, fine, but don't try and pass your views off for something they're not.

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Nothing I see there discusses the possibility of racial integration into a given culture.

What evidence is there to suggest that the biological differences unique to one's race makes it impossible for one to be integrated into a society composed of a different race and cause it no harm? That the Chinese people formed the Chinese culture is without dispute. That Australian aborigines filling into China and remaining culturally and socially distinct should ruin or cripple Chinese culture is certain. This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with culture.

As your link says and as I just repeated Chinese peoples formed the Chinese culture. What the article fails to consider is the possibility that a racially non-Chinese individual could adopt and integrate into Chinese culture and make no change to it. The idea that every culture is tailored to the racial makeup of its producers is nonsense. The differences being so slight (and while not skin deep, they are slight in every respect; no matter what you care to argue kidd), there's no reason to believe that a society produced by one people would be destroyed if another people were to adopt the dominant culture and integrate socially, in all respects.

Changing pace entirely, its charming to notice your article cites no sources for reference. Convenient, given its lies about "original white Egyptians," and a white majority in the middle east. The ancient Egyptians were always a Semitic people speaking a Semitic language. The graven image of queen Nefertiti shown us is much older than the Egyptian trend of realistic self-portraits. The middle portrait shown is not evidence of Egyptian race mixing, but of changing attitudes about self-depiction.

Would you like to find me their sources that the ancient Egyptians were ever a white (not just Caucasian) people, that the middle east ever knew a white (not just Caucasian) majority, or that the Aryan invaders of North India were a white people?

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"Hé! Donne-moi mon cadeau et on jasera après! Gros poilu!" - Asymptote

Nothing I see there discusses the possibility of racial integration into a given culture.

What evidence is there to suggest that the biological differences unique to one's race makes it impossible for one to be integrated into a society composed of a different race and cause it no harm? That the Chinese people formed the Chinese culture is without dispute. That Australian aborigines filling into China and remaining culturally and socially distinct should ruin or cripple Chinese culture is certain. This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with culture.Yes, it does. Culture is created and determined by Race, location, and other influences. Two races will ALWAYS be different, as culture can not be transferred racially.

As your link says and as I just repeated Chinese peoples formed the Chinese culture. What the article fails to consider is the possibility that a racially non-Chinese individual could adopt and integrate into Chinese culture and make no change to it.Yes, maybe a few CAN do that, I'm not denying this, but when many people transfer over, they usually stick with their own culture, stay individual, alien, and apart. This has ALWAYS been the case, and still is so in the USA and many other places.

The idea that every culture is tailored to the racial makeup of its producers is nonsense. The differences being so slight (and while not skin deep, they are slight in every respect; no matter what you care to argue kidd), there's no reason to believe that a society produced by one people would be destroyed if another people were to adopt the dominant culture and integrate socially, in all respects.They DON'T adopt the original culture of the group, that's just it!

Changing pace entirely, its charming to notice your article cites no sources for reference. Convenient, given its lies about "original white Egyptians," and a white majority in the middle east. The ancient Egyptians were always a Semitic people speaking a Semitic language.No, they weren't. Read the Egyptian chapter of the book.

The graven image of queen Nefertiti shown us is much older than the Egyptian trend of realistic self-portraits. The middle portrait shown is not evidence of Egyptian race mixing, but of changing attitudes about self-depiction. No, it isn't. The Egyptians didn't, drastically, change their art form. Each culture has a distinct art form. The Greeks made their characters more god-like, as the Romans focused on realism. The Egyptians didn't, drastically, change their art form without a drastic culture change.

Would you like to find me their sources that the ancient Egyptians were ever a white (not just Caucasian) people, that the middle east ever knew a white (not just Caucasian) majority, or that the Aryan invaders of North India were a white people?Alright...

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"If you worship your enemy, you are defeated.
If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
-Polydoros

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Did you adopt your views word-by-word from that nonsense?

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Did you adopt your views word-by-word from that nonsense?

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He's so brainwashed its really funny!

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Yes, it does. Culture is created and determined by Race, location, and other influences. Two races will ALWAYS be different, as culture can not be transferred racially.

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What is there to suggest that culture is created, in any part, by race? What mainstream biologist, sociologist, anthropologist asserts that, and based on what?

We can't [know] all the factors influencing the development of cultures. Attributing any of it to race assumes more knowledge than we have.

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Yes, maybe a few CAN do that, I'm not denying this, but when many people transfer over, they usually stick with their own culture, stay individual, alien, and apart. This has ALWAYS been the case, and still is so in the USA and many other places.

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Obviously so. You and your link assert, however, that it is a racial issue and not a cultural one. What research suggests that?
 

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They DON'T adopt the original culture of the group, that's just it!

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So now it is a cultural issue? Would you make up your mind?

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No, they weren't. Read the Egyptian chapter of the book.

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I'd much rather see a reputable, mainstream anthro/archaeological research article than a chapter in your motive-filled book. That Egyptians were Semitic is common knowledge. Egyptian was (and Coptic, its descendant is) a Semitic language. Egyptians weren't "white."

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No, it isn't. The Egyptians didn't, drastically, change their art form. Each culture has a distinct art form. The Greeks made their characters more god-like, as the Romans focused on realism. The Egyptians didn't, drastically, change their art form without a drastic culture change.

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Did I say they didn't undergo drastic cultural change? No. I said their manner of depicting themselves changed (which we can see, it did). Whether their art changed because of a cultural change is irrelevant. Where's your evidence of a racial change?

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Would you like to find me their sources that the ancient Egyptians were ever a white (not just Caucasian) people, that the middle east ever knew a white (not just Caucasian) majority, or that the Aryan invaders of North India were a white people? Alright...

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Yes please.

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"Hé! Donne-moi mon cadeau et on jasera après! Gros poilu!" - Asymptote

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What is there to suggest that culture is created, in any part, by race? What mainstream biologist, sociologist, anthropologist asserts that, and based on what?

We can't [know] all the factors influencing the development of cultures. Attributing any of it to race assumes more knowledge than we have.

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Obviously so. You and your link assert, however, that it is a racial issue and not a cultural one. What research suggests that?

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So now it is a cultural issue? Would you make up your mind?

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I'd much rather see a reputable, mainstream anthro/archaeological research article than a chapter in your motive-filled book. That Egyptians were Semitic is common knowledge. Egyptian was (and Coptic, its descendant is) a Semitic language. Egyptians weren't "white."

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http://white-history.com/egypt_gene.htm

Look at that, please. It's directly from The American Journal of Physical Anthropology and it even links to it for assurance.

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Did I say they didn't undergo drastic cultural change? No. I said their manner of depicting themselves changed (which we can see, it did). Whether their art changed because of a cultural change is irrelevant. Where's your evidence of a racial change?

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Yes please.

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Are North Africans black:
http://white-history.com/refuting_rm/4.html

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"If you worship your enemy, you are defeated.
If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
-Polydoros

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Because, NEVER, has another race duplicated the culture or customs of another race. They all think differently and, naturally, have different opinions.

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You can't attribute that to race as a biological factor. One race might not be integrated perfectly into another because of diverse factors relating to race/culture relations. You can't attribute to genetic differences, to biological differences in thought, to biology-specific cultures.
 

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Race and culture BOTH destroy the other. Race destroys race by mixing just as culture destroys culture. Each civilization has their own people and culture, and once those are destroyed or changed, that civilizations ALSO gets destroyed or changed.

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I noticed you didn't answer the question. You don't defend claims with different claims, you defend them with answers.

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You won't get that from an Afrocentric, biased, liberal website.

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Did I ask for an Afrocentric, liberal website or did I ask for research from a mainstream anthropological organization?

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Culture changed as race did. While Egypt expanded, it started to reach Nubia. Then, they had their exposure to the negro. There, they mixed. And there, the civilization started to fall.

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Answering claims with more claims. "Where's your evidence of racial change" was my question. "They mixed and their culture dun fell" was your answer. See the problem there?

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http://white-history.com/earlson/nordicegypt.htm
http://white-history.com/egypt.htm
http://racialreality.110mb.com/egypt_nubia.html
http://white-history.com/refuting_rm/4.html

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You've certainly diversified haven't you? Two completely different white-specific websites. You'll pardon me for being unconvinced.

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Look at that, please. It's directly from The American Journal of Physical Anthropology and it even links to it for assurance.

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The samples studied are all from modern Egyptians. It's unsurprising that modern Egyptians are racially mixed. None of this speaks to the Ancient Egyptian peoples being a non-Semitic white group. Presence of typically Western European haplotypes (as per the article, something that would've been found in Older roman populations) among Mediterranean Egyptians does not lead one to conclude that Ancient Egyptians were white.

From your precious, white history website:

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Original Roman and Macedonian types were of course similar to modern day Western Europeans, but it is unlikely that they ever occupied the region in sufficient numbers to make a statistically detectable impact upon the genetic make-up of Egypt. Obviously, the authors never considered the possibility of ancient racial elements in Egypt which were similar to present day Western Europeans.

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So, in effect, your site there is making a claim that is not accepted by mainstream science. Why doesn't it surprise us that a website that emanates white-superiority would want to claim that the Ancient Egyptians, with their great empire, were Western European, genetically? All the science says is that typically white haplotypes are found as a minority amongst coastal Egyptians. The claim that the Ancients were white seems again to be unsupported by available facts. It's a stretch at best and a manipulation of science to meet nasty ends at worst.

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I noticed you didn't answer the question. You don't defend claims with different claims, you defend them with answers.  

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You can't attribute that to race as a biological factor. One race might not be integrated perfectly into another because of diverse factors relating to race/culture relations. You can't attribute to genetic differences, to biological differences in thought, to biology-specific cultures.

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I noticed you didn't answer the question. You don't defend claims with different claims, you defend them with answers.

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Did I ask for an Afrocentric, liberal website or did I ask for research from a mainstream anthropological organization?

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You've certainly diversified haven't you? Two completely different white-specific websites. You'll pardon me for being unconvinced.

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The samples studied are all from modern Egyptians. It's unsurprising that modern Egyptians are racially mixed. None of this speaks to the Ancient Egyptian peoples being a non-Semitic white group. Presence of typically Western European haplotypes (as per the article, something that would've been found in Older roman populations) among Mediterranean Egyptians does not lead one to conclude that Ancient Egyptians were white.

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So, in effect, your site there is making a claim that is not accepted by mainstream science. Why doesn't it surprise us that a website that emanates white-superiority would want to claim that the Ancient Egyptians, with their great empire, were Western European, genetically? All the science says is that typically white haplotypes are found as a minority amongst coastal Egyptians. The claim that the Ancients were white seems again to be unsupported by available facts. It's a stretch at best and a manipulation of science to meet nasty ends at worst.

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A mural from the palace of Ramses II in Memphis, circa 1279 BC, shows the pharaoh grasping enemies of Egypt by the hair - two Semites and a Black Nubian. Alongside: a close-up of the three victims in Ramses' grasp.

Another picture of Ramses II

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"If you worship your enemy, you are defeated.
If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
-Polydoros

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All races have different thought processes. Races, as you know, score differently on IQ tests, even when all childhood 'disadvantages' are taken out.

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I'm not confident that's true. Of course, it'd take a shitload of peer review or my administering the tests myself to convince me fully. Given that, we'll just let that point stew on its own for a while.

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Sub-Saharan Africa didn't create a civilization for whatever reason, given their different thought process.

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Yet another issue that is too complex to make such definitive statements about. We can't know what would happen if physiological "Negroes" were dropped into an uninhabited Europe. How would the distinct environment affect their development, culturally, technologically? Similarly, if biologically white populations were dropped into sub-Saharan Africa with a blank-slate culturally/technologically, what would we see them build? Great statues? Vast empires? Or would they live as we know "negro" Africans live(ed)?

Do you believe we can answer those questions? It's clear that we can't. You can't attribute the development of distinct cultures to any one factor. You can't put so much of it on race, as one factor, because it is simply too complex.

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Sadly, they're the same thing.

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Check http://white-history.com/egypt.htm it shows many arguments against the silly Afro-centric claims that you hold dear.

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The claim that Ancient Egyptians were Semites is not an Afro-centric claim, as Semites are not an exclusively (or indeed, even primarily) African people. Semites are a Caucasian people.

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No other websites will post it, no matter how true it is, to stop from being called "racist".

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Classic. In scientific terms, the truth can't be buried that way. A controversial group's claims can be verified by independent research. That's how science progresses. Nobody takes your word for it. You show your methods, they imitate and compare their results. If there was discernible evidence for a white origin of Ancient Egyptian culture it couldn't be squashed by simple claims of "racism."

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If you checked the art and reconstructions, you'll see Mediterranean and Nordish traits. Why would Negro/Semitic Egyptians create art depicting them and Negroes as slaves?

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Egyptian Semites would be a Mediterranean people. What Nordic traits, and how are these traits specific to Nordic groups?

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If you read the site, you would see that it claims that the original creators of Egypt mixed with the nonwhites and, thus, destroyed their civilization. Of course, a few would be left, but not enough to push it back up to the top.

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I did read that, and again, the scientific research doesn't back that claim. There are some white haplotypes among North Egyptian groups. Nothing about that speaks to race mixing, the fall of Egypt or anything else. Given that only your White History website is making that claim (you'll note it's not in the Article and White History acknowledges that), why should I accept it as legit?

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"Hé! Donne-moi mon cadeau et on jasera après! Gros poilu!" - Asymptote

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A mural from the palace of Ramses II in Memphis, circa 1279 BC, shows the pharaoh grasping enemies of Egypt by the hair - two Semites and a Black Nubian. Alongside: a close-up of the three victims in Ramses' grasp.

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You think that picture is detailed enough to make a claim at the race of those pictured? Nothing about that image suggests that Ramses was not himself a Semite.

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"Hé! Donne-moi mon cadeau et on jasera après! Gros poilu!" - Asymptote

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Check http://white-history.com/egypt.htm it shows many arguments against the silly Afro-centric claims that you hold dear.

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Everything found there refutes the claim that the Egyptians were black "negroes." That isn't my claim. The Egyptians were (primarily) Semites, a Caucasian and not a Negroid people. Again your source speaks of "White Egyptians, White Pharaoh __ __," without bringing forward evidence to support the claim. We are expected to accept on face value the claim that they were white, and listen to their (reasonable) arguments as to why the Egyptians weren't a primarily negroid people. The second part is not at issue; Semites =/= black and blacks =/= Semites. The first, accepting the claim of White Egyptians at face value is a problem.

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"Hé! Donne-moi mon cadeau et on jasera après! Gros poilu!" - Asymptote