And conversely, if you believe it is a conscious choice; is it possible for it NOT to be a sin?

It seems that if you believe that homosexuality is biological and yet still believe it is a sin, wouldn't that mean that God predisposes some to be inherently sinful and not others....which is (to my understanding) not a Christian belief...?

So thus, wouldn't the biology vs. choice question essentially determine whether or not homosexuality should be considered sinful?

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Post edited at 7:42 pm on Oct. 7, 2008 by greatescape11

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This also depends on who you talk to on whether or not they actually believe that homosexuality is a sin. (I don't like to pass judgments as if I'm God condemning people hell or not...)

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There is no homosexual gene. And the Bible CLEARLY states it is a sin, whatever way you look at it.

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First off, researchers have found that there are genes that affect your sexual orientation.  Second of all, that's nice that that is your opinion.  However, you have no logic to back it up.

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There is no homosexual gene. And the Bible CLEARLY states it is a sin, whatever way you look at it.

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about 3 times, and Jesus never said it was. same-thing can be said about women being salves in the bible

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On the very basic level it really wouldn't make a difference, since it says that a man shall not lay with another man in the same way as he would with a woman. While I do not believe that homosexuality is wrong, it is very difficult to determine what the bible believes. Strictly based on translation it may be talking about certain kinds of sex, sex at all, or attraction between men. It is extremely unclear. To answer your question, according to passages in the bible, the intent or lack of intent in the action is insignificant.

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One of the many issues between science and religion.

This also depends on who you talk to on whether or not they actually believe that homosexuality is a sin. (I don't like to pass judgments as if I'm God condemning people hell or not...)

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I don't either....I'm not even religious myself.

I'm speaking from a purely logical standpoint here.

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There is no homosexual gene. And the Bible CLEARLY states it is a sin, whatever way you look at it.

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Oh. You're a scientist now? What school did you get your degree at?

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On the very basic level it really wouldn't make a difference, since it says that a man shall not lay with another man in the same way as he would with a woman. While I do not believe that homosexuality is wrong, it is very difficult to determine what the bible believes. Strictly based on translation it may be talking about certain kinds of sex, sex at all, or attraction between men. It is extremely unclear.

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I know but this is a totally different argument.  I'm basically operating under the assumption here that the Bible does say that homosexuality is a sin.  I know that there is a debate about the actual translation.  But that's not what my question is.

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To answer your question, according to passages in the bible, the intent or lack of intent in the action is insignificant.

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So then God creates some people to be inherently sinful?

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Quote: from princessita at 9:33 pm on Oct. 7, 2008

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There is no homosexual gene. And the Bible CLEARLY states it is a sin, whatever way you look at it.

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First off, researchers have found that there are genes that affect your sexual orientation.  Second of all, that's nice that that is your opinion.  However, you have no logic to back it up.

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Um didnt you ask if the Bible stated it? Im just answering your question..i dont care if you dont beleive or are not religious but you asked if from the Bible's stand point it was a sin and yes it does say it is.

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Quote: from dreamweaver at 9:34 pm on Oct. 7, 2008

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One of the many issues between science and religion.  

 This also depends on who you talk to on whether or not they actually believe that homosexuality is a sin. (I don't like to pass judgments as if I'm God condemning people hell or not...)

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I don't either....I'm not even religious myself.

I'm speaking from a purely logical standpoint here.

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I thought of the same thing and question it myself. I've always wondered what people would say even after it was official, that homosexuality is in fact a gene and not a choice. But even though it's already been said, it's rather obvious some would prefer to continue preaching from the pedestal, and blantantly ignore the other teaching all Christians were taught... get off your high horse and actually do good deeds instead of acting like you're the great Judge of the afterlife.

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There are people whose genetic makeup makes them increasingly violent or increasingly sex inclined. Those people are more inclined to sin also.

That is a timeless theological question that has not and cannot be answered.
That follows the idea of predestination, an idea on which I am not sure how I stand.

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