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Why I HATE religion
Watch this video, maybe you will also
Replies: 25 — Last Post Oct. 21 4:51am by charmgirl
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Soothsayer 		Reply

I apologize for the jargon, he is speaking to probably a majority churched background.

watch to the end, then comment

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he has some very good points..



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I am God. I apologize.

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He has a rather warped view of the doctrine.

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Quote: from musicallsoull at 10:17 pm on Oct. 12, 2008
he has some very good points..

 

you didnt watch it all!
nah thats cool
Mark Driscoll is his name, hes got quite a bit of stuff up on youtube which is helpful and interesting

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Wilder


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Why I HATE black people.

Seriously. Be more intelligent.

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Quote: from Wilder at 5:42 am on Oct. 13, 2008
Why I HATE black people.

Seriously. Be more intelligent.

how are they in any way analogous?

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Quote: from gronk at 1:53 am on Oct. 13, 2008
Quote: from Wilder at 5:42 am on Oct. 13, 2008
Why I HATE black people.  

 Seriously. Be more intelligent.

how are they in any way analogous?

His opening speech on why he has problems with organized religion commits the same logical fallacy as my previous post.

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Tedious. He makes up a convenient definition for "religion" and then proceeds to bitch about it for 10 minutes.
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Post edited at 9:15 am on Oct. 13, 2008 by Wilder

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Quote: from SpM at 12:02 am on Oct. 14, 2008
Tedious. He makes up a convenient definition for "religion" and then proceeds to bitch about it for 10 minutes.

whats wrong with that definition?

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Quote: from gronk at 4:54 pm on Oct. 13, 2008
Quote: from SpM at 12:02 am on Oct. 14, 2008
Tedious. He makes up a convenient definition for "religion" and then proceeds to bitch about it for 10 minutes.

whats wrong with that definition?


The fact that it is based upon his prejudices and misconceptions rather than etymological precedent.

I find this kind of rubbish is largely a reaction to the recent influx of stupid, religion hating atheists. They fallaciously equate "religion" with "anything bad ever done in the name of certain religions". You know, the ones that think Christianity is false because the Crusades were unpleasant.

You can either point out the flaws in their logic, or you can weasel out of it with "fine, I'm not religious anyway: I have a personal relationship with Jesus".

The latter response is as infantile as the original argument, and those who cling to it should be smacked repeatedly with big, heavy dictionaries.

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Quote: from SpM at 2:59 am on Oct. 14, 2008
Quote: from gronk at 4:54 pm on Oct. 13, 2008
Quote: from SpM at 12:02 am on Oct. 14, 2008
Tedious. He makes up a convenient definition for "religion" and then proceeds to bitch about it for 10 minutes.
 

 whats wrong with that definition?


The fact that it is based upon his prejudices and misconceptions rather than etymological precedent.

I find this kind of rubbish is largely a reaction to the recent influx of stupid, religion hating atheists. They fallaciously equate "religion" with "anything bad ever done in the name of certain religions". You know, the ones that think Christianity is false because the Crusades were unpleasant.

You can either point out the flaws in their logic, or you can weasel out of it with "fine, I'm not religious anyway: I have a personal relationship with Jesus".

The latter response is as infantile as the original argument, and those who cling to it should be smacked repeatedly with big, heavy dictionaries.

Semantics aside the point of the video I think is two fold.

1) To break down misconceptions about what christians believe. ie that they are saved by grace and love not by doing heaps of good stuff

2) To critique those who either think they are good enough that they dont need God or that they are so bad that God would never forgive them




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Quote: from gronk at 6:15 pm on Oct. 13, 2008
Semantics aside the point of the video I think is two fold.

How can semantics be put aside when the entire damn video was about the term "religion" and its connotations in Mr. Driscoll's mind?
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Quote: from SpM at 3:35 am on Oct. 14, 2008
Quote: from gronk at 6:15 pm on Oct. 13, 2008
Semantics aside the point of the video I think is two fold.

How can semantics be put aside when the entire damn video was about the term "religion" and its connotations in Mr. Driscoll's mind?

You can replace Religion with rule-worship, meritism, legalism etc pertaining to God.

For mine the essence of Religion is about doing things, being religous.

Sure you could say it is about things pertaining to faith, absoulte truth, things not of this world. But it is the former that Driscoll hates.



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